And I tell you, that was a fuckin fight. You were whacked out of your face. The last thing we wanted was heat on the block. The next time you went to the club, theyd be there and it would be like, Oh, we had a fight with these guys last time. Wed fire at a guy standing three feet away, and wed miss. But you can find where it was filmed on this list. At that time you could buy the Robitussin AC, with codeine. It was like a game. Big deal.. When I did get arrested, my little brothermay he rest in peacehe was involved. In the back of the park there were freight trains that ran underneath and there was one tunnel that was closed off due to an explosion. It was two carloads of the fellas, just headed toward the block, coming from Greenpoint. Some Red Wings attended near-by Benjamin Franklin High School. Now all girls think giving a blowjob is nothing. Someone please remove this, its a rap music term. I was first in a gang when I lived in East Harlem. It was the fact that they were so cool with us. Before that, date rape was the usual. He was from the Marcy Projects and he would always come down with a gun. My brothers were making money selling drugs but I didnt want to get into it. Robbing and stealing wasnt a big thing. The Viceroys were a Puerto Rican gang from 103rd Street, between Park and Madison Avenues. I left in Mean Streets temporarily, but I am pretty sure that the Little Italy it depicted was Manhattan's, and therefore it should be out as well. If you were out to get a guy, you wanted to put him in the hospital. It was easier to sell. We called ourselves the Italian Dukes. The Fordham Baldies were one of the gangs featured in the movie "The Wanderer". Wed break into cars, stuff like that. By signing up, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy & to receive electronic communications from Vice Media Group, which may include marketing promotions, advertisements and sponsored content. If you want to talk about family members alone, Ive lost five. They werent very accurate, either. I was 13 or 14 when I started. Someone happened to see two of the guys from the Arabian Knights so we pulled over. They thought I had control over their leader. Two friends of mine once had to fight at Coney Island because thats where the argument happened. Youd fire a round in the air, and theyd say, Oh shit, theyre shooting, and theyd run. Ballistics work being done on Piggys Candy Store. Thats how I used to get my money. After that I knew it was nothing serious, so I never bothered to go to the hospital. But it made a big noise and a flash of light. The resulting group took their name from the Bronx's Belmont Avenue. We used to look up to the Hells Angels back then. Oh yeah, and if you went down on a girl then, you couldnt walk around the neighborhood afterward. The Hunts Point area is the poorest place you can be. I think snuff is much worse than cocaine. The Duckies got their name because the original guys hung out at the Duck pond in the Bronx Botanical Gardens and shot at the ducks with slingshots, therefore, they eventually called themselves "Duckies". Everybody knew who we were. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronx_gangs_(1950s1960s)&oldid=1101692437, This redirect does not require a rating on the project's, This page was last edited on 1 August 2022, at 09:49. It goes something like this: While at school, a rumour makes the rounds that the Baldies are coming to the school (insert school name here). Students are in an uproar and are on pins and needles, waiting for a Baldy invasion. We were sitting on the corner of Longwood, drinking beer, and this particular club came by and started shooting. It was a two-way thing. If you dont do it, youre not part of the crew. Did it help? They talked about it, shook hands, and then we were brother clubs. They werent pussies. I left it, but recommend changing that line. I only see a couple guys from the neighborhood now. Back in the early days, we used to have a habit of snatching their hats. Originating in the late 1940s, the Red Wings appeared on the record until at least 1959. Lost Boys of the Bronx: An Oral History of the Ducky Boys By James Hannon. Was a wild time growing up, some bad, some good, but many learning experiences came from those times. Its even like that now. He left behind a wife and child. We also used the 'whistle' as an all clear after the cops had given up chasing us around and it was safe to come back out. There was a lot of acrimony between the Red Wings and Puerto Rican gangs from East Harlem like the Dragons and Viceroys. We were so fuckin broke, we had six jackets and maybe 30 guys. the Saracen Lords and the Nobles. Now, everybody else has a bike. THE 5TH (EAST,TREMONT AND MAPES AVE.) area in the 1970's: THE BLACK SPADES, PEACE MAKERS, HARLEM TURKS, 7 IMMORTALS, P.O.W.E.R. Then of course the cops picked up on it, and it got to be really tough. The police were able to trace the car to Giamppetruzzi and a week later had arrested all the defendants in the case. Back then you just hung out with the right people. Back then, gang-wise, there werent too many guns used. His father was a building super. A lot of them I met through fighting with them. had zip-guns. I mean, I could have been arrested for date rape a million times. We had a lot of guys in the gangsometimes we had 40, sometimes we had 60, sometimes we had 100. Ill be honest with you, the Spanish guys had a little more guts than the black guys. So there wasnt one particular reason. Me and another Unknown Biker were convicted for it. Thats all I ever wanted to do. Wed see them coming, walking up Bushwick Avenue in a line of like 20 abreast. Overdosed, stuff like that. Back then, Washington Heights neighborhood consisted mainly of Irish and Jews. FYI, this list is from The College Finder, 2017 edition now available! At its centre is Italian-American kid Richie (Ken Wahl) who is one of. The RailRoad Boys, East New York/Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. Such rumors would often bring along a large police presence, and long disruptions. My mentality wasnt, I have to join that gang. It was, I like the guy, the guy likes me. Before you knew it, I married the president of the gang. If we caught someone, we gave em a beating. 90K views 13 years ago Gang turf of the Corona Dukes, Arthur Avenue Boys, and the Fordham Baldies. If somebody says, Oh, let me see your colors, turn around, its not something you do. Once you drink a couple gallons of that wine, youre ready to go. When I lived in the Bronx, prior to 1953 - there was a gang called the Fordham Daggers. Gone is the cluttered window offerings of the candy store. I think I was under that car for half an hour, until I heard my guys yelling my name. Big car, big wallet, and next thing you know theyre doing fifty years in jail. That was the year when it started getting real serious. It was because of who you were. From the Jewish girls mostly, not from Catholic girlsnot when I was a kid. They became my brothers and sisters. I never jumped anybody. The two toughest guys would fight it out, and that was how it worked. It was like 50 cents a bottle. Theyd hang around. This time we were up on the roofs throwing things down on them: Bricks, bottles, cans you could kill somebody if you hit em with a garbage can of rocks from 50 feet up. We had the apartment on the first floor and even the old guys from the neighborhood would come in and play cards and dominoes. When wed fight with the black guys, it was more or less hit and run. We had everything sold by sunrise. Bucks, the Gents and the Garrisons gangs. It would scare people. The Micheal Farmer killing was an incident that happened during the showing of West It was the stomping grounds of both the real-life Fordham Baldies gang, immortalized by Richard Price in The Wanderers, as well as where then-presidential candidate John F. Kennedy addressed a. We came into a lot of weapons at an early time. Even the cops told my mother one time they knew I didnt have nothing to do with it. 1926), Words gane to the kitchen,And words gane to the ha,That Marie Hamilton gangs wi bairnTo the hichest Stewart of a.Unknown. This is my hood. We burned fires in the tunnels in the winter to stay warm, and we went swimming in the Bronx river when it was hot. During this time, both began to listen to rock and roll and go to dances on Friday Night. Youd be saying, I dont give a shit who you are, calling the club out. So from being 30 guys with six jackets, we became a thousand just by hooking up with them. But I never did. I turned out to be one of them, and it cost me a lot. It was something for show. Even today, in 2012, the Fordham Baldies still bring memories to many people I have talked to. First, we need to find some places that we could link to this page, so it gets some visibility. I think he got arrested. They parked the Caddy and settled in at Section 17 of Orchard Beach which at the time was divided into 27 sections (now it is divided into 13 sections). Wed be going across the Williamsburg Bridge, shooting at them, them shooting at us. Unless this was a separate incident, the gang was not the Redwings, but the Sinners. When you got caught doing something, they handcuffed you, took you down to the precinct, beat the shit outta ya, then took the information down. So after a while, he would make an apartment available to us. That happened a lot. Forget about iteverywhere you went, every corner, the drugs were there. In the back of the park there was a cemetery, and in the cemetery there was a hill. Thats the way the neighborhood was. Then you had all these other little clubs in between. You come running through the building with the cops after you and you could run into any door. Everybody else ran. The battle lines between opposing armies had already We werent selling, we were just using. On the west side of Astoria, members came from the But back then, if you had a girlfriend, if you were getting laid, you were the king of the mountain. In them days, it was no big thing. BRONX, UPTOWN SPADES,HARLEM TURKETTES, SATAN ANGELS, SAVAGE SKULLS, ROYAL JAVILINS, GESTAPO CREW, THE UNIVERSAL ZULU NATION, and THE REAPERS 1ST DIV/MAIN DIV/ AND Juniors. All of them met violent deaths. Tully High School seniors Richie, Joey and Perry run with a gang called The Wanderers in the Bronx. Every Friday and Saturday night I would go to factories on Bedford Avenue, Wythe Avenue, and Flushing Avenue. An ex-Wanderer had this to say: I was a Wanderer! When I was in Spanish Harlem, the guys in gangs wore silk jackets with their name on the front and the club name on the back. There were six of them and two of us. Everybody knew who was who. Then, in a way that only the Internet can make happen, I received an email from another nephew of Ernests who was actually able to find Ernests unborn son at the time (when Ernest was killed he was married with a boy and his wife was 7 months pregnant with another son on the way). But still, they found the same guy who got stabbed before. Its like a family, or the police department, or the priesthood. 1954 Red Wings & Fordham Baldies The Red Wings were a well-known and powerful Italian gang situated in East Harlem. Or you find them in a car, dead. Ive snorted a lot of cocaine in my fuckin life, but these guys I know who used to do snuff, their noses used to fuckin bleed. It got to a point where a gang called the Fordham Baldieswho were like the biggest Italian gang in the Bronxheard about us and came down and made us a brother club. Our turf was Lee Avenue and Lynch Street. Each of us bought our own uniforms and equipment and we all chipped in for our bus fees for away games. People started making money on their own and they forgot about their buddies. That was a typical day. Then they got out of the cars a second time and the guy ran away and Frankie ran after him. We didnt shake nobody down or hurt nobody. In Williamsburg, where we were, it was the Majestics, the Dukes, the Unknown Bikers, South 9 Bikers, Spanish Kings, Devil Rebels, Dirty Ones, and a bunch more. I think that had a lot to do with the fact that I wasnt a member. A close knit group that consisted mainly of blacks and Puerto Ricans, The biggest place we would go was the Starship. That was East New York. Lot of guys went to jail. Their leader is Terror, a 6'6", 400-pound monster of a man. Our big thing was buying cough medicine. If anyone stepped in, (stepped out of turn) he was accounted for verbally and brutally. Many of us had guns, although I never knew of any used in a fight. Walk all the way back to where we live, just to get high, then hustle again to get lunch. When this second son was born, Ernests widow moved to California leaving everyone and everything behind. Joey DiMassi is leader of the Fordham Baldies, respected for his fairness and decency. Although the Jewish residents of East Harlem moved to other areas of NYC, they stayed in the neighborhood to sell their wares, either door to door, or via a storefront business. Even some of the names used are real. Eventually everybody said, Were not going to dance no more. He was invincible. They were knife-happy. All of a sudden wed start hitting each other. lol" Another former gang member from the Garrisons had this to say about the Duckies: "If you were planning to visit the Botanical Gardens in the Bronx you needed to concern yourself with the "Duck(ie)s." Legend has it, if you are visiting the Bronx Botanical Gardens and blast out a 'Duckie Whistle', Duckies will show up to greet you till this day! We had no real guns, just the ones that we made, which were a joke. After a while, I realized that theynot just them, other clubs toowere being paid by the landlords to burn the buildings for the insurance. We got your neighborhood. And wed turn around and say, Yeah, yeah, you got so much. Wed eat, drink wine, hang out, bullshit, discuss what we were going to do that day, whether we were going to go visit another club or if there was going to be some kind of party. Some Red Wings attended near-by Benjamin Franklin High School. There were some crazy kids, though. Because of this gang fights between the two groups became the norm. If you want to have a "See also" section where wiki articles on bklyn etc gang-related movies, etc are handled, I guess you could, but I didn't particularly feel the need so I didn't. down on them. Right now, the Majestics is a motorcycle club. They didnt like me too much. The official 2023 Women's Volleyball Roster for the Fordham University Rams I am currently researching these two killings one in 1958 and the other in 1959 and hope to write about them in more detail in the future. After a while, if he called the police, then we would be angry at him. It didnt begin as a crime thing. 71.184.65.20 (talk) 19:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], That can't possibly be a real gang. Like one time, I saw it was clear through so I just patched it up, and forgot about it. That was it. Eventually, if you hung out in that neighborhood you tried pills or pot, or whatever other crap came into town. Also, we used to have a lot of gay guys come around and theyd get us a couple pills, some marijuana, and bullets for our zip guns. If they caught you, you were going to get an ass whuppin. But I stole. We buried each others brothers too much. It also made us brother clubs with the Redwings, who were in East Harlem. Wed get high and go into the city. NYC Youth Gangs - 1950s. Terror, cross-eyed, 150 pounds, six foot four is the war machine of the Fordham Baldies. But thats the way they did it in those days. They. Fourth, sources.I will be doing some more research and adding much more information. This page is not available in other languages. Or somebody would tell me, Listen, I got a van, brand new, and I wanna collect insurance. So he would tell me where he parked it. of the day,' black leather jackets dungarees and boots. But it isnt like we were setting out to take over the building. Wrong place, wrong time. Sometimes. It could more than double in size at that point. The Spanish guys were different. John Gotti, too. Youre walking down the street, you see somebody that you dont like, who isnt in your gang. You could see how things escalated. We did most of our dirty business on the railroad tracks, so we got the name The Railroad Boys. They fought on the handball court with no shoes on. It was an opportunistic thing. Richard Price lived in Parkside Projects and hung out with a different crowd then us. Im 50 now, and I havent been back. We had fun. Apparently Mario and Ernest looked very much alike and although Mario didnt discuss the death of his brother, it was something that Marios son always knew about. It was just that I started hanging out over here more than over at the other side. Then another five would do another dance routine, and it became like a fucking dance-off. When I was growing up, stealing old ladies pocketbooks was the big thing. They were a big crewwhite gang, mostly Italian. 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