I ran a Sag. R.P.O. I will flip them upside right and give it another try. Saginaw 3 speed Transmission Bearing Kit with Synchro Rings, BK115AWS Our Price: $79.95 (6) . got a ratio designating letter at the end of the serial number. The Saginaw was and is known for its durability and reliability. Mine is coming out for a turbo 350. I was told to get a kit for about $250 and replace those along with bushings etc. The Saginaw was a popular transmission used in many GM vehicles from the 1960s to the 1980s. Gary S said: If the tranny came from a 6 cylinder car, it was not a Z28. The 3 speed 3.03 was also the heavy duty transmission in 1960s Oldsmobile, Buick and Pontiac cars, with FOMOCO cast into the right side of the case; sourcing parts from competitors was common practice in those days, as Lincoln used GM's Hydra-Matic transmission for years in the early 1950s. Russ Jan 6, 2013 #6 Rene Melten Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member Sep 22, 2007 4,119 Blind Bay, B.C. Clutch So much for well trained mechanics at the dealer. 2. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. The transmissions were cast-iron and stamped with an application code. The Saginaw 3 speed uses the same cross member as the Muncies. Because the speedometer cable exited on the passenger side, an extra hole was required in the firewall to accommodate the speedometer cable. You might want to source a steering column from a car that had a floor shift as it would eliminate the obvious top collar under the steering wheel and the linkage under the hood. I just did a Manual 3 speed Column to floor switch in my 66 Caprice. 1949-1954 Chevy Passenger Car 3-Speed Floor Shift Kit. The Saginaw four speed was used by GM in the 60s. sort by: sale. Opens in a new window or tab. W1025/P1025, P (Muncie) or W (Warner), 1025 On a scale of 1-10, with "7" being a Muncie M22, the Heavy-Duty B-O-P selector is . The shift pattern on the one I owned had reverse on the left ande down but you also had to push down on the shifter to access reverse. Privacy Policy. Does anybody know of an offset shifter? The Saginaw was a popular transmission built by General Motors. We offer quality rebuilt manual transmission, parts and rebuild parts kits that are designed to be top of the line. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. With the 318 trans first and reverse you are actually moving & shifting a real gear. It doesn't mesh well from neutral to either first or reverse. from what I heard there are three manual trannies, a 3 speed saginaw a 4 speed saginaw and the 4 speed muncie. Corvette 9/16-18 Classic Twister Blue/White Shift Knob . 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In Drive at full throttle, it would upshift from low gear to . This kit should fit all Saginaw 4 speed transmissions, because the shifter mounting bracket doesn't use any tailshaft housing holes (see last 2 pictures). 3 speeds are cool. . The shift patter is backwards. The rear yoke will also need to be changed. From $18.00 . produce less end loading of the gear train and less heat but created more noise, Just over and up. Only thing left was position of shifter when it was in the vehicle (fore or aft). You will also be able to tell the assembly date by the casting number. I could easily convert it too a Muncie 4 speed down the road. I realize that the early 3-speeds in the 50's are good transmissions and that they were made that way, but I want EASY shifting for pleasure. If you are unsure whether or not your car has a Saginaw transmission, follow the steps outlined above. Chit Chat Area, Anything on your mind goes here. and fit pretty well. Jan 30, 2007. Tom P and the others have it correct. So the Guys rented a car and drove 125 miles to my place and bought my sector $65 and went and installed it on their van. 3-4. The first speed part I ever purchase was a used Hurst syncro-loc shifter, must not have been the right app. 3-speed Manual (327/396), Saginaw M20 (283 built after March, 1966), Saginaw M20 (327 built after March, 1966), Transmission Gear Ratio Drop Between Gears, RPO M20 with RPO L30 327/275hp If I have to go to a Saginaw and a floor shift I will, but right now I need the services of a good and fair mechanic in my neck of the woods -Long Beach CA. by a letter code). when stopped its easy to drop it into first gear. I had a 3 speed in a 72 rally Nova ,, i flipped the arms over on . I never ever hurt it. Unfortunately these metal tags are often discarded engine, RPO M20 13817-867 & RPO L35 396/325hp engine, * 3879668 was 3877459 - revised in 1967 but date unreadable, 1963 Only small 6207NR Front Bearing ,Pat. Some folks here don't fit in at the HAMB. It's a whole lot cheaper to learn how to do it than it is to spend a few hundred on a different transmission. From short tracks to drag strips and car shows to museums, the Saginaw transmission can be found in a variety of vehicles. This 7-3/8" long extension housing can eliminate transmission crossmember modifications when replacing a TH400 or TH2004R transmission with a 4L60 assembly. The casting numbers may be located on the main case, tailhousing, or side cover. This would put the clips at the tranny. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Location: atlantic beach,n.c. Another difference between the Muncie and Saginaw transmissions is their gear ratios. The base manual transmission for non-high-performance models and 67-8 SS350's was the Saginaw 3-speed, M15. The later versions were redesigned to make them easier to down shift by installing syncronizers for all gear shift patterns, up and down shifting, making them "fully" syncronized. I use the 77 one on mine, but with a Muncie and a Hurst shifter. Automatic transmission when the SS 396 series was ordered. Clutch Release Bearing Bolts. 27 spline, 1963 "Thin Fin Tail" Driver speedometer 27 spline, 1963 - 1965 Regular thick web, driver speedometer, Since our shifters first started appearing as original equipment in some of the world's most notorious factory hot rods, our manual shifters have been known for their unbeatable quality, great looks, along with offering short, precise throws. Shifter does not interfere with the seat and shift pattern fits the car perfectly. (cheap easy fix for a gear head. If it was the original tranny it was most likely a ST-10. for Ford, GM (Chevy), Mopar car, truck, or custom applications from top manufacturers such as Hurst, Lokar, Pro 5.0, B&M, and more. My transmission has the round shafts with the curved dished slot in one side. Thanks for the stock numbers and if you could give me the amount it actually moves it over it sure would be appreciated Duh, I must have screwed up my linkage on my Saginawmy reverse is left & down. 2. The Muncie and Saginaw transmissions are both manual transmissions produced by General Motors (GM) during the 1960s and 1970s. The manual transmission was a popular choice for car enthusiasts and mechanics. The Saginaw Transmission was designed to be easy to manufacture and install. On my first 4 speed, I had everything mocked up on the bench, then went "through" the gears. By 1963, the General had developed and worked with the Saginaw Corporation to develop a proprietary Chevy four-speed (based on components used in the Borg-Warner transmission). I dont like the idea of that at all, it seems like it would be to easy to shift it into reverse instead of second. because there was no room to install the trans. and grommet. A forum community dedicated to all Chevy Nova, Chevy II, Acadian owners and enthusiasts. I've been looking around the internet for awhile and I keep seeing 2 different 3speeds. (441) 7-bolt side cover FORD 3+1 OVERDRIVE FORD/MERCURY $87.22. Contact Us (810) 238-7611. When I was drag racing my Firebird, I broke 3 muncie's, but never hurt the saginaw 3 speed it ended up with. Now the Saginaw overdrive from a three speedwill fit on a saginw 4 speed. Date Codes: A ~ January, B ~ February, Get Directions. tag (generally found on a lower bolt of the side cover), it will help identify Lift the shift lever up like you're shifting into second but don't go the whole way, just enough to engage the synchros. The Saginaw 3 speed uses the same cross member as the Muncies. I have been told this is a common problem with these transmissions, and is caused by bad synchros. Check the transmission identification tag, look for casting numbers, check the gear shifter location, look for an aluminum casing, or consult a professional. No double clutching, no jamming or forcing the gears in. 1st gear is down left, 2nd is up left, 3rd is down right and 4th is up right. The M22 transmission has a 20 degree helix i have a 66 impala 2 dr and i'm wanting to upgrade my stock 3 speed to a saginaw 4 speed and i was wanting to know what all i would have to change in order to do this. In 1967 Saginaw 2-3 1-R Shift Fork 3 Speed and 1-2 Shift Fork 4 Speed, WT301-23 Saginaw 2-3 1-R Shift Fork, WT301-23 Our Price: $17.90 (4) Saginaw 3 Speed Counter Shaft Pin, WT301-3 Speedometer Gear Selection, 3-speed manual transmission w/overdrive [RPO M10]. I plan to go the floor shift route. I just did a Manual 3 speed Column to floor switch in my 66 Caprice. Hi folks, it's been a while since I was here last, but I remember getting some great help here in the past, so here goes Not to be a smart a__ but it will until it won't. would be the date code P8T13, meaning 1968 (8), December (T), 13th. Sadly when I bought my 66 Impala the guy who had it before me threw a saginaw in it to replace the blown trans.. 4. The VIN says it was made in St. Louis and had a six with the three speed, but someone then put a v-8 in it, which is what I have. Right side of main case, just in front of extension http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/vette/65 Chevelle L79/65Chevelle6June2010.jpg. A forum community dedicated to hot rod owners and enthusiasts. Concave or Flat Top Shift Knobs Shift Pattern. Very good and rugged transmission but not fully synchronized. Thanks. Purchased some new shift forks for another 75 and rebuilt the trans. Messages: 64. Just Reciently a couple of guys from New Jersey bought a 1960 ecoline van in Calif. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Look for an aluminum case: The Saginaw transmission case is made of aluminum, which makes it lighter than many other manual transmissions. Can i put a Muncie 4 speed, Saginaw 4 speed, or a late model . The 1955 Bel Air I just bought has the 3-speed manual transmission with the column shift (three on the tree). . The special 3-speed H.D. Serial numbers from 1963 to 1966 included only the month and day. The number on it is 224247. Any ideas on that. The transmission case is made of aluminum, which makes it lighter than many other transmissions. He said something about this shifter being spring loaded to make the 1 - 2 shift by just tapping the stick forward (after pushing the clutch pedal in of course). Once I had a mid 70's Dodge with a 4 speed overdrive. 1964 to 1968 Muncie 4-speed transmissions can be identified from later models The one complaint is the gear spread is pretty wide from 1st to second. 5) Pull the cover and put everything in neutral. B&M and Hurst Shifters have earned a reputation as America's Number One Shifter! A forum community dedicated to Chevrolet Chevelle owners and enthusiasts. Attractive chrome-plated steel stick with 3/8-16 thread and custom white knob. As mentioned above, modern 5-speed and 6-speed manual transmissions are easy to identify, but older 4-speed transmissions have more variety. This page was last updated: 18-Apr 07:52. I left it a three speed because I have the Heavy Duty Borg & Warner which are rare and hard to find. I would post something in the chit chat area and hopefully one of the California guys will chime in. The Muncie transmission is known for its toughness and reliability, making it a popular choice among high-performance drivers and racers. I wouldn't mess with the rear main seal if its not leaking excessively. :thumbsup: Thanks guys. This was only true when the first M22 boxes were Dash mounted lever to activate the Overdrive unit. Transmission Month Date Codes when repair or maintenance work is performed. the month such as P8A01, meaning 1968 (8), January (A) 1st (01). Come join the discussion about restorations, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! ~ M22 (1969 and newer). An example Im going to put the saginaw in my car along with all the pedals and all that. Get a Hurst Competition PLus shifter for it and you're in good shape. 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So I had less than 500, trans, kit, parts, degreaser, paint and gear oil. B-W H.D. Identifying what type of transmission your car has is important, especially if you wish to repair or replace it. Easily identified by the reverse gear being on the main case instead Saginaws are often used in restorations and custom builds. So there is no lifting up on the shifter to go into reverse. 1965-'69 Jeep J-series 4WD pickups (used with a Dana 20 transfer case) Yes. shafts, Cover issued with "584" tail stud type shift shafts, Short boss with bolt on type shift shafts My 80 ST10 is full left and up (forward towards engine). be P2R25B. The 3rd/4th lever from the Saginaw 4-speed was also used on the Saginaw 3-speed transmission. Shift Pattern Diagram A shift pattern diagram should be in your vehicle. After some warranty service at the local dealer, my vehicle had the same problem. I left it a three speed because I have the Heavy Duty Borg & Warner which are rare and hard to find. The Saginaw transmission featured durability and reliability. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Come join the discussion about restoration, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! I would never try to rebuild a tranny or motor, although I did rebuild my one barrel carb on the first 55. I am in the process of rebuilding a 1980 Z28. The straighter angle was designed to Installation kits include all linkage, mounting hardware, shifter boot and easy-to-follow installation guide. The truck I'm driving is my 1977 Chevrolet C10 pickup truck. "It's just a phase. Reverse is in the normal position of way left and up. I've never seen a BW T85 tranny with OD in the common GM imput shaft and bolt pattern,typical Ford tranny.All GM OD . Muncie LINKAGE ARM LEVER RETAINER ADAPTER . Its a large barrel gear that rides on the outside of the second and third syncro assembly. #2 Saginaw (6 cylinders and up to 2bbl 350 small blocks) #3 T5 5 speeds ( 4 cylinders and up to 305 small blocks) Aug 20, 2008 #5 K ky509 New Member Apr 6, 2008 15 Newburg, MO. 1st gear is down left, 2nd is up left, 3rd is down right and 4th is up right. Another misconception is if you have I've spent many years selling cars, working with auto detailers, mechanics, dealership service teams, quoting and researching car insurance, modding my own cars, and much more. You can swap in a middle to late 60's saginaw three speed, fully synchronized, or the same era four speed saginaw, also fully synchronized, with a floor shifter, for a few dollars. And I diagnose and repair vehicles with the most up-to-date tools, technology, and software. 00:00 00:00 Brought to you by Leaf Group Physical Characteristics 3-SPEED TRANSMISSION I.D. 1955 & Earlier Light Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission. Great for any type of race car that require a stock transmission. That is not a problem,that is how they are designed. the first year to have the year stamped in the date code and the month represented The Saginaw transmission is a manual trans manufactured by GM through the time period of the 1960s to the 1980s. Asemblee goo Transmission Assembly . http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-4-Speed-ash=item464f027c7b:g:VYEAAOSwfC9XPQLt&vxp=mtr, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saginaw-4-Sash=item4af8af42fc:g:KTAAAOSwxCxT4~uG&vxp=mtr. Left side of main case, on boss I also see them for sale by the transmission rebuilders all done for like 600-800. Im a mechanic with five years experience diagnosing and repairing vehicles. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=i6.574.8j10.1.3..41.FamLooXu-ms. dated with a December build date it was actually built the prior year. . in front of extension housing. L30". The Turbo 400 used in previous years was replaced with the more compact M-38 Turbo 350 automatic. One of the main differences between the Muncie and Saginaw transmissions is their strength and durability. 9-speed automatic transmission with 2.0L Turbo engine, Electronically controlled transmission with overdrive and gear range select Smooth, effortless automatic shifting 2.0L Turbo 4-cylinder engine, 228 hp @ 5000 rpm Offers 252 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque 4-cylinder dual overhead cam design with Direct-Injection and Variable Valve Timing (VVT . Things like a worn pilot bearing and worn bearings in the trans can mae it hard to shift. If your transmission case is aluminum, it could be a Saginaw. Not a lot of torque capacity, but it works. A hot rod shop towed them in. There are 7 different input shaft possibilities on a Muncie. This is a new genuine Hurst kit, that is listed for Saginaw (441) transmissions. He tells us both the M20 wide-ratio and M21 close-ratio transmissions were first offered in 1963 . Shifting second and third you are moving only the syncro assembly. Sounds like you had a saginaw box maybe? 3 speed shifter. Does anybody know which trans I had then? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Lets just say a full sized car with a 396 Big Block using a Saginaw did not last to long. thus the nickname "Rock Crusher" was born. Replacing or upgrading a manual shifter is a proven way to add or restore shifting performance to your vehicle. Later 60s era Saginaw transmissions came in three flavors. (me) 4. Cool thanks a lot guys, this is all great info. I always shift to second before stopping and still have it in second when stopped. The 3-speed Muncie unit is similar to the 3-speed Saginaw design but differs in that it has a 3-1/4 inch center distance between the mainshaft and countershaft instead of 3 inches, and has larger bearings, gears, input shaft . The Saginaw M-13 3-speed was now the base transmission, and a Saginaw wide-ratio 4-speed was given the M-20 designation. input shafts are M22 transmissions. I think the only Hurst shifters were over to the left and up. the two saginaws have the shift boss mounted on the gearbox itself, this makes it a cheaper setup but it transmits vibrations through the leaver. Any road If not for the internet they wouldn't have been able to fix the van. 27 spline, 1964 1965 Pontiac Catalina Long Tail Driver Speedo 27 Spline, 1966 1970 Passenger side speedometer, Note that a Muncie Your Price: $230.95. Cast iron case, believe it is a Saginaw three speed, but not sure. A bit OT but this sure brings back memories of my first car (at 15), 61 Impala 348/3 speed on the column. If you have it all and you are making small horsepower then go for it. 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