For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thanks for your help. Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may have stamps on the tubes, under the forend. 0000005051 00000 n
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The AE is the proof mark and that is decoded as 1979. 0000007017 00000 n
The PN stamp means "poudre noir" or black powder proof. As for value comes with box and back powder flask. 0000003320 00000 n
Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. Not common but very neat. 0000105711 00000 n
Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Italian firearms date year of proof codes. ALL CAN BE SEEN IN THE P. on Jan 23, 2018. In this video I'll. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths' guild and the mark of the State or city. Single Action Presenta. :hmm: Thanks for the help. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 0000001474 00000 n
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It has on with a star above it and a shield with a star above it. Price: $525.00. 0000037713 00000 n
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So, what follows is a photo library of many of the various Black Powder Proofmarks, Date Codes, Importer, Distributor and Manufacturer's Marks to help with identifying the manufacturer of your revolvers, pistols or rifles. Anyone have the latest date codes? 0000001752 00000 n
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Many of the models imported are classified as curios and relics. time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. 0000001796 00000 n
Quick View Add to Cart . There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. They are built with state-of-the-art materials, so you can enjoy safe and reliable performance with modern ammunition. You are using an out of date browser. 0000046756 00000 n
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Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. startxref
will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. 0000037090 00000 n
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The wholesalers from Italy listed on our website are able to fulfill large bulk orders or hunting equipment on a short notice, making it easy to import and export ammunition and guns to and from virtually any country in the world. The The markings are factory inspection and proof markings. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. 0000097375 00000 n
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country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. 0000051690 00000 n
location, rather than a manufacturer. The same rulses are more or less applied today. After years of looking at and trying barrel began as a means to insure its safety and integrity. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. They are often found in combination with proof-marks, and still more frequently on unproved arms made in countries where no official proof was existent. %PDF-1.6
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The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. 1891 - present 16 <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>>
Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? No specifications as to the bullet. NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers The first cipher is the crossed branches surmounted by a crown, and with a cross or star in the three other angles. EMF Company, Inc. 1900 East Warner Ave. Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. This site is an educational and resource site for collecting cap and ball replica revolvers. Price: $436.00. The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". Product Catalog Revolvers made in Italy Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend Special offers BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. 0000011853 00000 n
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Price: $380.00. Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. It has the two proof marks and the letters PN but nothing else other than the serial number. 0000012820 00000 n
Starting price $549. The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof marks described. 0000003452 00000 n
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(1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. Serial Number: 12150. 1970 = XXVI. The DGG is the mark of Armi San Paoli, now Euroarms. Again, thank you 1948 = 4. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . Uberti cartridge revolvers are true replicas of original historical designs. The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. xb``b``` @16
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The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. Recently someone posted a site tahta gave the codes of manufacture of Italian made guns. Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver Redi-Pak .44 Cal. Testing the gun Yours may be an example. Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. cases. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Powered by Invision Community. C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? r2 e< 1{Vk)} individual armorers and inspectors used their own unique stamps in some <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>>
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If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. 0000006511 00000 n
The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. I have a Piettas revolver that is marked with the letters. firearms. Joined Mar 2, 2020 0000002539 00000 n
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A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. 0000090159 00000 n
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Largest pricelist of weapons and civil supplies. It is becoming apparent that the major manufacturers used these shops as sub-contractors as a source of parts as well as complete revolvers for those distributors seeking cheaper and cheaper guns. 0000005702 00000 n
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My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. 1968 = XXIV. In now represents definitive black powder proof except for muzzle loaders 1893 - present 14 Designates guns with rifled chokes. These traditional single-shot, rolling block, trapdoor, and slide- and lever-action . Attachments 1LC_7209.jpg 259.2 KB Views: 601 1LC_7210.jpg I will continue to add to the "library" as new marks are made aware of. LSB#: 210317JM01. 79 0 obj
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Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . I have a older or what looks to be older blacke powder revolver that i have purchased. 0000013830 00000 n
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1946 = 2. During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. Thanks for posting those codesI use them quite often to make sure the correct parts are ordered. 0000007873 00000 n
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The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as CD - 2009. Seen 1810 -> Liege. Four of Italy's most highly respected gunmakers: F.A.I.R., Sabatti, Pedersoli, and FT Italia bring the latest in firearm design, technology and materials to the United States while continuing to follow the centuries-old gun manufacturing traditions of Italy. 0000001540 00000 n
SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont.PROOF MARK CIRCA . There are the RRRs, the *PN and * Gardone proof marks and an AB date code. The "not all revolvers are proofed" is unverified since nobody is willing to admit this. Quick View Add to Cart . 0000084840 00000 n
We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof SKU: FR185117. Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? Military firearms can be difficult to identify because they referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", Junior Member . since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. 0000088591 00000 n
This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). HWMs8WLE ydljblj+-Q%xvn Tr @w|;-'.y':BRdiR4&I
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Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. 0000010278 00000 n
1848 Dragoon Revolvers. Armourers marks are quite distinct from proof-marks, and comprise the private marks, ciphers, stamps, or signatures of the individual armourers or gunsmiths. 0000013204 00000 n
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Measuring the bore diameter and chamber It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. And with these symbols and date codes, we can usually track down who actually made the firearm. You are using an out of date browser. 36 Made in Italy". It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. 0000000016 00000 n
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The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". Markings: The top of the rifled barrel is marked "Col. LeMat." surrounded by a decorative border, the left is . Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) NRA Life Patron, US Navy 1967-2001; Vintage motorcycle racing, restoring; CAS; Trap; Skeet; US&World History; Work DoD weapons R&D. jh-@^z^gq}$g=@(M
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From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. I'm going to print out this table and keep it handy for future reference. Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. Also has pn with shield on cylinder. To establish this rule, they constructed a proof house near the City of London. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists 1967 = XXIII. 0000002293 00000 n
Many Italian made reproduction cap and ball firearms retail used in the $40 to $150 range. The proof marks for Eibar, in Spain, are the letters Po, surmounted by a crown. 0000006823 00000 n
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The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. 0000120205 00000 n
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Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. 0000013906 00000 n
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Uberti black powder revolvers are exact replicas of their famous predecessors, and are built to perform reliably and safely with modern black powder loads. to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. I've got some recent guns and you have extrapolated the Date Codes exactly right. 1945 = 1. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2
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This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . There are a number of Board Of Join Date: March 19, 2008. S. 0000007642 00000 n
Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. In 2012, Navy Arms now operated by Val Forgett III, temporarily suspended the importation side of the business. Says made in italy on barrel. According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet.
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By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. $399.00. This warning appears on the bar- 0000136869 00000 n
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1858 New Army Revolvers. The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over It is not clear to me when firearms by Italian manufacturers other than Beretta began to be marked with date codes - it may have been as late as 1954, with the Roman numeral X. Update: (This was originally posted in 2006.) The year of PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. Spain depended for long upon the proof of individual armourers, and most Spanish barrels were marked with the stamp of the maker set in a square or oblong block under a crown. 0000014256 00000 n
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1: A true smoothbore rifle. 1991 = BA. Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. Thanks, Claude. Serial Numbers. 0000036564 00000 n
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Seen on repaired guns that required re=proofing. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. 0000037574 00000 n
Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user.
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