Virginia Restless, Miniature Painter & Cat Dad. Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as$6 a month on Patreon! Bollocks. When GW sells the same models in Australia for 60-90% more than the US for no good reason it is hard to feel sorry for them. Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. No? I perfectly understood is time wasted, but something in me hope you understood the type of scum you and your friend are. @Italeri Games Workshop prices are high, but they are not massively greater than companies like Knight Models. As it goes for GW story is different as plastic is better, quality great and models in box sets are not so expensive. @ Greg Smith: That attitude is killing the hobby. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. As a former game store employee I will say this: the amount of players that get discouraged from even trying to enter the hobby because of GWs prices makes me sad (it is a lot). GW has serious plastic and great details, FW does not. @Greg. Of course, cheaper things are always more attractive, but it comes back to the principle of supporting your local business. But good way to name and shame yourself, although I doubt there is any shame there. How many of us would not be hobbyists if it wasnt for our local GW? While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. We are saying to watch out for recasts of other artists personal work. We mainly cover Warhammer 40k, Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, Infinity, Horus Heresy, and Star Wars Armada. No one has put more indie model firms out of business than GW. There are sticky areas and others that are shiny showing where the resin has not properly cured because of a bad preparation mixture. I would agree with most of the points expressed in the comments, that the moral analysis of recasting begins and ends at theft. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. Exactly so. Continue with Recommended Cookies, A major recaster in China is closing up shop after being contacted by Games Workshop regarding their Warhammer. I totally understand the problem with stolen IP and that the problem must be addressed, but I would also say that in regards to out of production miniatures that in economic terms GW are not providing what the market wants, so the market is finding alternative ways to provide it, unfortunately these arent legal, but on the other hand this is an avoidable situation for GW. If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! In this role, you will be monitoring websites and sales platforms to identify infringements and counterfeit products and then you will follow a structured process for removing those products, reducing counterfeit products available across all sales platforms and websites. a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. Youre not automatically entitled to them. GWs greed and extortionate prices. No well known miniature company is safe from this practice. Thanks for the guys who give chance for better value and access to minis that I will never otherwice will be able to buy. There are MANY legitimate streaming options that are legal and same for MP3s. If you dont have the money to afford models, dont buy them. Totally agree with you, its morons like them who are putting a nail in the coffin of our hobby, I bought a recast by mistake off eBay, I thought I was buying a genuine Pegaso figure, when it arrived I knew instantly of the mistake Id made, everything that is bad in a casting was plain to see, the main thing being it should have been cast in white metal and was instead a poor resin cast instead, thankfully eBay took action and swiftly booted this pirate off. This also isnt the first time Games Workshop has gone after recasters in China or otherwise, and recently hired an infringements assistant or, in military terms, a targeter to help with the task: Would you like to assist in protecting Games Workshop from risk through removing infringing and counterfeit products, ensuring that our customers can continue to enjoy our products for years to come? A lot of resin has to be removed, rectified and even replaced with putty. Cheers. For the sake of this report, we have acquired a couple of Chinese illegal recasts as well as their respective originals, and we are going toshow you in detail why there is no point at all in buying these pieces of bad plastic. Enjoy the hobby, dislike the business practices. For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. #22 to #20 - manollette . This had to be done because it was nearly impossible to identify many of the pieces that came attached to large blobs of resin. If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. Thats despicable. Why, then, does FW (who run a much smaller operation, fewer employees, use silicon moulds rather than the hundred thousand pound plastic ones) charge 40 for a box of 10 Krieg Troopers? I have to necro a bit here. GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. Its all for love. 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. A regular in national events wherever they are, huge advocate of hobbying with good beer and friends ;). My only experience with recasts were a set of transparent Tau stealth suits which, while everyone agreed were really cool, I was told not to use them. Join. In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. The above article is, quite frankly, scaremongering. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. They take all the financial risk to give a miniature its origin, why shouldnt they be entitled to make an honest living? It leaked that it costs Games Workshop about $5-$7 per a box of Marine Tac squad. The one kit, the producers knew was a more elite unit and that people were likely to buy one or two of at most, the other a basic infantry squad and that people were more likely to need a decent handful of. Thats the total cost for them, packaging, payroll, the lot. We just make claims. They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Too draconian prices. GW rant incoming: I agree with buying recasts only when it is GW. But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. This really rips ma knitting this! I have no remorse whatsoever for GW. produce in the country you sell in and not in china.. then we can talk until then you get what you deserve! Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. Now we have to spend 40 on a family trip to the cinema. Many other companies offer products as good as theirs or even better for a lower price. Judge yourselves. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. or have you forgotten about the atrocious quality that was Citadel Finecast, here despite the shit quality we still saw an increase in price. I myself am very pro recast, that being said maybe 5-10% of my models are recast. Not me. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. But Netflix absorbed a lot of people, including the extremely low population of pirates, who just wanted a reasonable price for what they wanted. LET THEM sink. OUR EXISTENCE IS IN DANGER! For the good health of our hobby. As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. Theyre entitled to make a profit sure and Im entitled to shop around. Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. I think theres one thing that need to be said here regardless of ip. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. They are bentor folded, transparent and rough surfaced. Someone mentioned looked at Rackham games as if recasts are why they went out of business. Now lets say in this situation I have a friend who plays WH and hes a recaster, and he can get me that same army for $50. Im now buying models that Id never buy because they are crazy expensive, for example forgeworld knights. We pay so that the company we like so much is able to surpriseus again in the future with yet another piece to continue enjoying our hobby. The cheap cost of resin you mention would only be associated with recasters. 2K. that is a crap attitude, and glad I dont know you and have anything to do with you. Just saying, this argument is fail. 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